12 immediately met that by saying what has now passed into law—that we consented to exclude entirely any land whatever that had got buildings upon it at all; and our friends of the City know that that is what they acted upon when they did act, and they did exclude that portion. I only mention that in order that it may be understood that it is not everyone who is an aggressor, and that people who are aggressors should be careful to have a right and a principle behind them—something different to their own interest. I have read an endorsement on a very old brief—you may be aware that I have had some connection with the law—it is a very old case indeed, but the directions on the brief were : " No case; abuse the " plaintiff's attorney." I am not exactly saying that our friends here have no case, because I do consider that they have a case—but it is a bad case. They do not abuse the plaintiff's attorney in the sense that I may consider myself as acting, but they abuse the plaintiff, that is, the recreator. I want to ask you this question, I know it occurs in the play of " Shylock." I shall be very careful in mentioning names, if I can avoid it, in the remarks I have to make to you. He says, "I thank thee, Jew; I " thank thee for that word! " because Shylock used a word which was a damaging admission. I refer now to the term " recreator." f think the gentleman opposite who used the word " recreator," and coupled with it the term " East End rough," made use of a most unfortunate expression for his clients. Sir, I wish to ask you, why am I here ; why are the City gentlemen here; and, sir, why are all those gentlemen here taking their fees day by day ; and lastly, why are you yourself sitting here ? You are sitting here for the recreator. It is a very unfortunate thing, perhaps, that there are roughs in the East End of London. I do not think at all that the monopoly of roughs is to be found at the East End of London. It is a sad and desperate thing to know that there are roughs everywhere; but to attempt to allege for a moment that they more than any other section of the community frequent Epping Forest is, I think, most ridiculous altogether, and utterly incapable of any sort of proof. The recreators that I have found there are portions of two millions of people to whom the use of that forest is the means of recreation, and for whom the Act of Parliament says the forest shall be preserved. I can find school gatherings there of many thousands. I can find aged paupers from workhouses, both men and women, recreating there. It has been my experience to be a recreator there very frequently myself, and very many times of innocent enjoyment I have had there with my family. It has been my fortune or misfortune there to have my horse run away and smash my carriage to pieces and do all manner of harm; but I always met with most kindly and genial assistance and sympathy from the recreators, who appeared as if by magic. But we certainly never met with anything to complain of or to be afraid of them. Now and then there was a skulking person about, as there is in all places. There is on the Derby racecourse, as I dare say you know very well. The recreators there are not always of the best and the highest moral character, but I do think in all the time I have spent upon that forest I have seen less harm and more to delight in than ever I did in the whole course of my life. Therefore I think that that word should not have been used. As regards one of their witnesses, Mr. Tewson, a gentle- man whose advertisements and whose catalogues differ so entirely and wonderfully from his experience, you see he dislikes the common people, the recreators, to come between the wind and his nobility. It is pitiable,